User talk:Kizzycocoa

[edit] Why Map Types?

Why did yo change it back to Map Types? Map type is clearly a better name.--Yurisho 17:59, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Lower case doesn't quite suit that template. yes, it suits the page. but the format of the template favours capitals for every item. End Portal, The Player, Far Lands, it has a theme going. the lower case word felt out of place, as it would if you were to change them all to that.

Also, note the page links to the article, "Map type", without the capital.--Kizzycocoa 18:43, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

So why the 's' at the end?--Yurisho 19:39, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

touche. I can change that.

However, the capitals need to stay.

[edit] I've been helping

We've been having some vandalism problems and im gladly helping you guys atm --Doggey 18:47, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

yep. that happens a lot here. --Kizzycocoa 19:49, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Isn't that kinda expected, being a Wiki? I can help out too... Do you know what specific pages the vandalism occurred on?NINJAS KICK BUTT 15:07, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

it's already been sorted out. the vandalism happens on all pages. we cannot prevent it all. only correct it.--Kizzycocoa 15:26, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Ya i know. Im usally the one causing it. But now i know what it feels like to have to correct stuff and its kinda annoying. lol So im trying my best to help you guys out becasue ive never really done anything good for this wiki. You can check my contributes to see how good im doing so far :) Doggey 20:22, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

The Ocelot is confirmed. Here and here.- Xamiostone

the first cannot be determined.

the second is not a valid source, but MORE speculation.

you have zero proof. -Kizzycocoa 01:59, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

If it's that hard for you to see, I kinda feel bad for you. -Xamiostone

save your sympathy for those who think it was, which is more likely of mojang, monkeys or tigers. I feel sorry for you for zooming in on a specific endangered cat than the simplistic general animals they add first

I thought it might be a giant snail at first glance, but dismissed it for pure idiocity, and decided to await another update before diving into the speculation pool. You did not. -Kizzycocoa 02:16, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

With the release of 12w04. I was proven correct. Xamiostone

you made 1 suggestion.

there were at least 50 others.

needless to say, your claim was no more valid than tigers or monkeys. It's pure chance you got the correct answer.

as an admin, it is my duty to stop speculation. Your speculation, while correct, was just pure speculation nonetheless.

I feel no need to justify doing my choice, nor my job as an admin. --Kizzycocoa 18:30, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Video policy violations

I have noticed a lot of videos popping up that are a "Blatant self-promotion" and based on wiki rules "is not allowed." These videos are now on the trees page, and skeleton page. Also, these videos can become out of date, with the up coming new releases. I believe that if these videos are to be added, then all other videos that have previously been added to the wiki should also be allowed to be re-added, as some of them where more informative, and had less "Blatant self-promotion".

Also, these videos violate this term of embedded videos

Video Contents Embedded videos should be completely neutral, entirely for illustrative purposes, preferably without voiced (or written) comments, and re-usable on the alternative-language Wikis.

Note, these are taken directly from the rules page.

Also note, that I understand I will be immediately banned for this proposal, but I believe in following the rules specified

you don't get banned for a proposal. That's silly.

I am on an iPad, and do not know much of the video policy. I recommend you talk to wyn. Look to the directors page to the left to find her user page. -Kizzycocoa 02:02, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Pages needing to be renamed

Following our apparent policy of using item and entity names from the code rather than from ingame, I believe a large number of pages need to be moved. Since it's a lot of work, though, I thought I'd confirm it just in case - would it be correct to rename Sugar Cane to Reeds, Mooshroom to Mushroom Cow, Glowstone Dust to Yellow Dust, and Nether Wart to Nether Stalk (for example)? Or did I misunderstand, and we're supposed to be using the German names (meaning Sugar Cane should be renamed to Zuckerrohr, Mooshroom to Pilzkuh, Glowstone Dust to Leuchtstaub, and Nether Wart to Netherwarze)? --TLUL 02:07, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I don't take well to sarcasm. I am an admin with AS. Two types of people least likely to appreciate sarcasm.

as for the comment, no. We all have names based on the game's spelling. I have discussed this with a moderator (a long-time since-classic editor, no less.), and as there is enough use of it in-game, it will be named Ozelot, unless you can get an official name from mojang. -Kizzycocoa 02:16, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Name dropping won't do you any good in trying to convince me, especially with no evidence other than "X said this". Frankly, I don't care if you're the president of Italy, that doesn't make your opinion worth more than anybody else's on this wiki. Logic dictates that we follow existing precedent and name it according to the language files, or we change our system (meaning Mooshrooms become either Mushroom Cows or Red Cows, depending on whether we're basing it on the code name or the texture name).

I've got two questions, though. First, where, exactly, do you see "Ozelot" used ingame, except on three languages (compared to 47 that use "Ocelot")? Second, what does you having AS have to do with anything? --TLUL 02:24, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Uh huh. You really have a horrific attitude when it comes to sarcasm and pure bigheadedness.

as for your questions, hidden among that attack,, entity ID and texture. As I cannot think of any other way to identify the mob, I think this is sufficient to show this is the correct spelling.

and having AS means you don't understand or tolerate sarcasm as much. Especially snarky sarcasm from a user who decides the best way to "win" this ( which is NOT a mindset you should have on a FACTUAL wiki ) is to barge in balls first and guns blazing towards the admin who, with other admins, determined we use mojangs spelling for a jungle cat --Kizzycocoa 02:38, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll take the debate anywhere I see fit. Frankly, you're the only one I see (granted, I haven't been searching) supporting the "Ozelot" spelling. It seems like a blatant abuse of power to protect the page for edit warring when you have been the only person causing the war. If there's a conflict going on, an impartial admin should step in and protect the page until the debate can be resolved. You are most certainly not impartial, and I believe you should step back from the debate - at least as an admin - until you are capable of making unbiased decisions about it.

Ideally, in this situation, I'd make a discussion on the village pump - but seeing as there doesn't seem to be one here, I'm limited to discussing it with the other people directly involved. In this case, that's you. I am not determined to "win" this, I am determined to have consistent and correct FACTS on this FACTUAL wiki.

The biggest problem I have with your argument is your repeated use of the phrase "Mojang's spelling". Mojang has spelled it many ways. Ocelot, Ocelotas, Ocelote, Ozelot are all used for different languages. It's not up to you to determine which language pack is the "official Mojang" version. For consistency, there are only a few options: use the in-code name (Ozelot, Mushroom Cow), use the texture name (Ozelot, Red Cow), or use a specific language file.

As for your answers, hidden among your mock offense, really? That's the only way you can think of to identify the name of the mob? We've got plenty of language files to use. We've got plenty of language files that we have used on all of the other pages. It makes absolutely no sense to have a different convention on this page than on all of the others. While I'd be perfectly happy to switch the spelling if all pages were consistent, it's much easier to simply follow the existing convention and use the name from the English language file. The FACTS are pretty clear: Mojang intends the English ingame name to be Ocelot. We're an English wiki. It really isn't a hard logical jump. --TLUL 03:01, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

The Spawn Egg's name is Ocelot. SrDonoaldo

The wiki does not use the EntityID, it uses the US English name in the language files. Which if you'd bothered to look, is Ocelot. Just because you want it to be called Ozelot, doesn't mean you can abuse your admin to try to keep it that way. –ultradude25 ^(T|C) at 03:55, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

just woke up, and saw this. My mind didn't even think about spawn eggs. So, ocelots they are.

however ultra dude, I resent your, and others comments that I'm abusing admin power for what I want. Do I want them to have a weird z in their name? No. I just saw the entity ID and texture name, discussed with admins what to do, and stuck by the result of that discussion nothing more, nothing less

as for language files/spawn eggs, I did not think to check them. Language files, I have no idea where they even are, and to be honest, I don't even use that part of minecraft, so did not think about that.

same with spawner eggs. The only people who use them are creative-mode people. I did not think to use them as I nearly exclusively use survival, the mode with the monsters and actual gameplay.

while I was wrong, fine. I am wrong, I admit so. But admin-wise, I tried to the best of my ability to see what they were named in-game, then discussed it within the IRC, then implemented it. I cannot see what else I could possibly have done.

did I want it to be ocelot? No, not really. But I was just following naming procedure, which is find the official name and stick to it. I did not even think to check the spawn eggs, let alone check language files, as they are new, and so, weren't even in my head at that time.

if not done already, I'll remove the protection and undo all of my previous edits. If i had known of their spawn egg sooner, I'd have done so sooner. --Kizzycocoa 14:20, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

Very well. It just seemed to me that you were ignoring that the wiki uses the US English name for everything else, instead of the EntityID, and just changed it because you wanted it to be that name. –ultradude25 ^(T|C) at 00:04, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

personally I think that Ozelot is a silly spelling, but I had concerns that it may be the official name. Hence I looked into it, and asked for advice.

I feel it is significant that, if we did NOT have the new (extremely new) spawn eggs and language files, it WOULD be Ozelot due to mojang spelling. --Kizzycocoa 00:23, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

In that case, until Mojang actually says something about the name (like in patch notes when it's officially released), then it probably would've been called Ozelot. –ultradude25 ^(T|C) at 01:02, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

exactly. and that's how I justify my actions. these two are new, and handy of course. but I have no idea how to use languages, nor do I use creative a lot, if ever. under, say, 1.0, they'd have to be called Ozelots. --Kizzycocoa 01:40, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

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One word of advice: I think you should have consulted the other admins first before acting so hastily. It wasn't exactly what one would call good judgement. - Asterick6 04:24, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

No. ordinarily, we rely on the code/texture names. thanks to spawn eggs/text descriptions, this is no longer the case. however BOTH were EXTREMELY new at the time.

should we not have had these, it would have been Ozelot. full stop. no discussion. the only reason it isn't is they've handily added spawn eggs. --Kizzycocoa 15:11, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Citation needed

Hi, I am sorting out all the ^{[citation needed]} from Category:Citation needed. I noticed there were some on your Archive page 2. It is protected, so I can't change it. Could you replace the code {{cn}} with the code ^{[<span style="color:#3366BB">citation needed</span>]} so the design stays the same, but it won't show up in the category. Thanks. CrazyBliep (NL Admin) - 18 Februari 2012 15:48 (UTC)

done! ^^ --Kizzycocoa 15:55, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Surely it would be better to just change the template so it doesn't add to the category when transcluded on talk or user pages? –ultradude25 ^(T|C) at 16:56, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Done.^{[citation needed]} 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 07:56, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but you missed a few. :P –ultradude25 ^(T|C) at 10:58, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I thought about adding all the talk namespaces, but didn't feel like reopening my namespace chart to make sure I was only listing "existing" namespaces. =D 「ディノ奴千？！」^{? · ☎ Dinoguy1000} 19:12, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I just put a copy of {{ns:}} under the template and went through all the numbers until it stopped showing anything. –ultradude25 ^(T|C) at 22:38, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Mods Page

Earlier, on the mods page, you wrote this:

I personally would like a collapsible menu for each, massively compressing each section. furthermore, I'd like a collapsible menu for each section ideally I do not know if this is feasible, but we need to sort it out. the entire outdated-in date processes are a farce, and has needed sorting since it was stupidly introduced. --Kizzycocoa 01:25, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Are you still going to do this, or what?? Until you do something, I have removed the text box from the top of the page.

I believe Wyn was supposed to add it, but wouldn't until the media wiki update.

I will follow it up! ^^ --Kizzycocoa 11:44, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply! Is it possible to have a collapsible menu for each section? That would be the best possible option, rather than just having separate pages.

I just realised I forgot to sign my previous post :) Goandgoo 06:42, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Errors on Herobrine article

Kizzycocao, the Herobrine page has some errors in grammar. For the message box in the beginning, "The subject in question however has never been in Minecraft," should be "The subject in question, however, has never been in Minecraft." For the Trivia section the sentence, "He stated that he cannot say a lot about 11, but that it is not anything to do with Herobrine." should be "He stated that he cannot say a lot about 11, but that it has nothing to do with Herobrine. - Asterick6 04:33, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

the first, corrected. the second is a quote, so I shall not be correcting that. --Kizzycocoa 15:11, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Oh, then I suggest adding quotation marks so people won't get confused (like I did). Example: He said, "I cannot say a lot about 11, but that it is not anything to do with Herobrine." - Asterick6 22:41, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

I did. unfortunately, I lost the conversation. that's the only part I remember 100% he said. I have no access to any more IRC chat. --Kizzycocoa 23:13, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

Ok, and also you made some other minor errors about the in-game message. And I think it was removed in Minecraft 1.0. - Asterick6 01:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

I cannot see them. also, speculation of when cannot be added. --Kizzycocoa 22:08, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

"This reference to Herobrine was nothing more that a mere >>reference. it<<(this part) has since been removed." - Asterick6 06:06, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

the only issue I see is "that" should be "than". --Kizzycocoa 19:41, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Spanish Wiki administrators?

Hello, Kizzycocoa!

I noticed that the Spanish version of Minecraft Wiki doesn't have any administrator/bureaucrat...

I'm Spanish, so if you need some staff for the Spanish Wiki, I'm available for it ^^

Good luck. Kingpowl 13:38, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

That's not for me to decide. I suggest talking to Wyn :) good luck! --Kizzycocoa 13:41, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thank you! ^^ Kingpowl 15:10, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Enchanting Annoyance on Known Bugs Pages

Hey. I am one of many users that have relabelled this issue as [A] instead of [A!] . I should have have explained myself first but I didn't realise the issue had been discussed so much already. I agree the system does suck (I don't know anyone who likes it or thinks its logical) but my problem is that the Known Bugs pages have always been primarily for actual bugs rather than complaints about the gameplay in Minecraft. Having said that the definition of an "annoyance" allows these complaints on the page, and I haven't argued against their existence before now, but I really do think that decisions on gameplay/features should be left to the staff of Mojang, since it's their game. We are purely helping them to confirm the existence of bugs. Although I will happily leave this particular issue on the page, I don't agree that it is a major annoyance (i.e. more important than the minor bugs on the page). --Mattrition 15:27, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

yes. we have. at least five times. each time, we've agreed on it being a major bug.

as for leaving it to Mojang, I can't agree. the community has done a lot to improve the game. Pistons and Zombie Pigmen being just two. to simply say that we can't suggest things to mojang is insane. plus, these are annoyances everyone has. Mojang not only wants to know what bugs there are, but also what annoys their fanbase. we are doing a service by informing Mojang. Jeb_ himself has stated already he plans to fix the enchanting being unfair, all thanks to this wiki.

Bugs and annoyances are two different things. bugs are shown above annoyances. to say a major annoyance would override a minor bug is wrong. the bugs will always be listed above annoyances. in fact, it is a literal impossibility that they will ever be more important than even the tiniest bug in Minecraft, list wise, as the annoyance header is below the bugs header, hence, below all content in the bugs header. --Kizzycocoa 15:37, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree, but the instructions state something along the lines of "major annoyances are more important than minor bugs". But maybe this is confusing. In which case, why have a major annoyance category at all? What is a hard and fast definition between an "annoyance" and a "major annoyance"? At any rate it doesn't really matter too much I guess. It's just a bloody exclamation mark. --Mattrition 16:24, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

They may very well be. maybe Mojang want to fix their bugs, or fix their annoyances. regardless, annoyances stay in the annoyance section, and bugs, in the bug section.

We cannot control if Mojang pays attention to annoyances or not.

Either way, if you saw the annoyance message, you have to 900+ zombies to get to level fifty, and that can land you a diamond pickaxe with only Silk Touch? no matter what way you look at it, that is bad gameplay, and a major issue that needs addressing. which is why we've consistently marked it as a major annoyance over plain annoyance, as most of the community dislikes the system.

Annoyances are when minecarts can get stuck in walls. Major annoyances are when an entire in-game system is consistently disliked by the community. --Kizzycocoa 16:44, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Ok so I see your point of view and I think the instructions need to be changed in regards to what constitutes a major annoyance.

"Major annoyance. Think very carefully before flagging an annoyance as major. Is it really more important than most minor bugs? Use this tag sparingly; if there is consensus your annoyance is not major, it will be downgraded."

I think it might be a good idea to set a precedent here and say that major annoyances must have a consensus backing that this is an important issue that the community has with the game (from disscussion on a talk page for example). That way real community issues that are not actual bugs, like the enchanting experience curve, can rise above the annoyances that are just "one guy and his feature requests." --Mattrition 20:15, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Skin change - how do u do that?

Hi. How do you change the mediawiki background - i've been
trying to do this on my wiki, which uses vector. thanks - htmlguy999 (i'm not logged in).